Talk:Bughouse chess

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Setup time: 1 minute?[edit]

That's written below the photo. Why 1 minute specifically? An approximation probably? I think it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Exactly matches at Chess article now ("About 1 minute"). Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Not any-more in that article. Most experienced players can do it much faster, I guess. Bever (talk) 01:32, 23 October 2017 (UTC)


The variations section has given me pause for a while. I've played an awful lot of bughouse with people from all over the world and have never encountered any of these variations (with the exception of the rule common in any over-the-board speed chess game, taking kings that don't move out of check). I haven't mentioned it before because all I'm bringing to the table in saying that is original research. But actually looking at the sources, it's becoming clear the section needs to be significantly reduced.

The very first source, which looks to be the basis for much of the section .... is a comments section.

The only bullet with other sources is "Pieces cannot be dropped with check or checkmate. This variation is common in Europe, and the game featuring it is sometimes referred to as tandem chess." I'm limited by not speaking the language, so forgive me if it says something that doesn't carry over via Google Translate, but I don't see anything in these talking about this as a "common" variant -- just that it's a possible variant. Furthermore, these sources are personal websites of unclear quality -- certainly not good enough to generalize about what is "common" across a continent.

What does seem good to keep is coverage of two-player and six-player games, which look to be supported by better sources (and, not that it matters, but since I'm unabashedly drawing from anecdote, they are also common according to my OR).

I've gone ahead and removed most of the variations per the above, and renamed the section "Two-player and six-player variations". Thoughts? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:33, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

You shouldn't remove information when it is sourced just because you don't understand the source. Dropping without giving check has always been the normal way of playing this game in the Netherlands. See also the present rules by the Dutch chess federation. Bever (talk) 01:51, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Bughouse in WSJ[edit]

Bughouse: A Crazy, Addictive Variation on Chess from the 9 June 2016 Wall Street Journal. Not a long article, but it's nice to see :) It embeds this youtube video of Carlsen, Vachier-Lagrave, Caruana, and Aronian playing bug. It's not a very good game, but might be worth transcribing and using as the example given how much of a big deal it [sort of] is? Aronian is very good at bug, but looks like the big blunder was missing the mess Bd3 was going to cause him. Of course, the real problem is that he never had a chance to clean up because Caruana kept freezing up, so they must've been losing on time the entire game... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:46, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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10 years ago, this article went through a review for A-class, then an apparently informal review (just a statement that it passes rather than a transparent review) for GA. A substantial portion of the article comes from von Zimmerman, Georg, ed. (2006), Bughouse Chess. In addition to overreliance on it, it's a self-published source. Other sources are blogs and other self-published and primary sources. Now, granted, the people involved with some of these sources, including von Zimmerman, are about as close as we can get to an expert author, so they're not terrible, but such heavy reliable on SPS should really be a red flag for GAN. There are a number of other issues with the article, too, but the others are probably more fixable so I won't get into them at this point. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)